Filed by Forest Oil Corporation
pursuant to Rule 425 under the Securities Act of 1933
and deemed filed pursuant to Rule 14a-12
under the Securities Exchange Act of 1934
Subject Company: Forest Oil Corporation
Filers SEC File No.: 001-13515
Date: May 6, 2014
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CORPORATE PARTICIPANTS
Larry Busnardo Forest Oil Corporation - VP of IR
Pat McDonald Forest Oil Corporation - President & CEO
David Sambrooks Sabine Oil Corporation - Chairman and CEO
Shane Bayless Sabine Oil Corporation - EVP and CFO
CONFERENCE CALL PARTICIPANTS
Jason Gilbert Goldman Sachs - Analyst
Michael Marsek Riverbridge Capital - Analyst
Mark Pimm Canaccord - Analyst
Alex Betts Citigroup - Analyst
Drew Venker Morgan Stanley - Analyst
Dan McSpirit BMO Capital Markets - Analyst
Gregg Brody JP Morgan - Analyst
Scott Wilmoth Surveyor Capital - Analyst
Ravi Kamath Seaport Capital - Analyst
Raj Agarwal Marathon Asset Management - Analyst
Sam Goodyear MidOcean Partners - Analyst
Ray Beacon Canaccord - Analyst
Scott Hanold RBC Capital Markets - Analyst
Steven Karpel Credit Suisse - Analyst
David Epstein CRT Capital - Analyst
PRESENTATION
Operator
Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Forest Oil Corporation and Sabine Oil and Gas Merger Announcement Conference Call. My name is [Lacey], and Ill be your coordinator for today. (Operator instructions.) As a reminder, this conference is being recorded for replay purposes.
I would now like to turn the presentation over to your host, Larry Busnardo, VP of IR. Please proceed.
Larry Busnardo - Forest Oil Corporation - VP of IR
Thank you, Lacey, and thank you for participating in our conference call this morning announcing the signing of a definitive merger agreement between Sabine Oil and Gas and Forest Oil. The slide presentation has been posted on the Sabine and Forest websites respectively. The details on how to access the slides can be found within the merger announcement that was issued earlier this morning.
We have joining us on the call today Patrick McDonald, Forests President and CEO, David Sambrooks, Sabines Chairman, President and CEO, Shane Bayless, Sabines EVP and CFO, and Todd Levesque, EVP and COO.
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Before we get started, Id like to take a moment to advise you about our forward-looking statements within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 and Section 21E of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934. These forward-looking statements are subject to all the risks and uncertainties normally incident to the exploration, development, production and sale of oil and gas. We urge you to read our 2013 Report on Form 10-K for a discussion of these risks that could cause our results and plans to differ materially from those in any forward-looking statements we may make today. Also, this material is not a substitute for the registration statement that will be filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission in connection with this transaction or the proxy statement, prospectus, or other information statements we mail to stockholders. Investors are urged to read the proxy statement prospectus, which will contain important information, including detailed risk factors when it becomes available. The proxy statement, last prospectus, information statement, and other documents will be filed by Sabine and Forest with the Securities and Exchange Commission and will be available free of charge at the SECs website or by directing your request to Sabine Oil and Gas or Forest Oil.
Sabine, Forest, and their respective Directors and Executive Officers may be considered participants in the solicitation of proxies in connection with the proposed transaction. Information within the participants in the solicitation will be set forth in the proxy statement, prospectus, information statement when it becomes available.
And with that, Ill turn the call over to Pat McDonald for opening comments.
Pat McDonald - Forest Oil Corporation - President & CEO
Thank you, Larry. Good morning, everyone. Thanks for joining us on such short notice. We are very excited to be announcing today the agreement that we have reached to combine Sabine and Forest in an all-stock transaction. We believe this transaction, which is designed to be tax-free to Forest and its shareholders, will add value through the upside potential gain from a larger and better capitalized entity with a more robust suite of opportunities and a broader portfolio upon which to execute its capital plan and strategy.
The transaction will bring together two highly complementary asset portfolios, will create one of the industrys largest East Texas players, benefiting from synergies through drilling program optimization and economies of scale. The combination is also strengthened by a sizable Eagle Ford position as well as Granite Wash, Permian, and our Como positions, which provide optionality for development and monetization.
Id like to thank the Directors, management and advisors of Forest for all the hard work in identifying and evaluating this opportunity. In addition, Id like to thank the Directors, management and advisors of Sabine for working through this complex transaction, which meets the strategic and economic goals of both companies.
A quick overview of the transaction this will be a all-stock combination whereby Sabine and Forest will combine to create a newly-formed parent company called Sabine Oil and Gas Corporation. The new company will be listed on the New York Stock Exchange and headquartered in Houston, Texas. After the transaction is complete, it is expected that Sabine unitholders will own 73.5% of the combined company and Forest shareholders will own 26.5% of the combined company.
Board representation upon completion of the merger will be roughly proportional to ownership, and the management team will be led by David Sambrooks as Chairman and CEO of the combined entity, supported by Shane Bayless, Sabines CFO, and Todd Levesque, Sabines CEO. The conditions to closing include approval from Forests shareholders, as well as customary regulatory approvals. We expect the transaction to close sometime in late third quarter or early fourth quarter of 2014.
With that introduction, I will turn the call over to David, and I look forward to answering your questions later in the presentation.
David Sambrooks - Sabine Oil Corporation - Chairman and CEO
Thank you, Pat, and first Id like to say hello to the Forest employees and shareholders who I look forward to getting to know in the coming months. And Id like to express my excitement about the company this combination creates and the value opportunity I believe we are delivering to our investors.
So, Im going to start going through the slide deck now, and Im starting on slide number 3, and talking through the strategic rationale for the merger. Sabine and Forest have virtually a hand-in-glove set of assets, with complementary acreage positions in East Texas and in the Eagle Ford. The combined company will have an industry-leading position in the multi-play East Texas Basin, with approximately 207,000 net acres. This includes a multi-year inventory of high-return, liquids-rich, Cotton Valley Sand opportunities, as well as a large inventory of Haynesville drilling locations, with compelling current economics and significant upside. Furthermore, in the Eagle Ford, the combined company will have approximately 65,000 net acres, where some of the best results of the play have been achieved, which Ill show you more shortly.
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The scale of the combined company is impressive, with proved reserves of 1.5 trillion cubic feet equivalent as of the year-end 2013, 71% of that being gas, an estimated 2014 production of 345 million cubic feet equivalent per day, 65% gas. This represents 20% production growth over 2013, which we believe positions us at the top of our peers in growth.
An important benefit of our enhanced scale is well be able to optimize capital allocation and timing of capital spend across the combined asset base to realize better returns on invested capital. Also, the combined company will realize significant cost savings from reduced overhead and streamlined operations. We have just begun to evaluate the potential cost savings, and this will be an early area for study and execution once we close. Well talk more about the operation results that weve been able to achieve, but we believe theres a significant value to be added from applying top-tier drilling completion execution across the large combined portfolio.
And finally, the combined company has ample liquidity, and we see the ability to fund the drilling program through 2015 without accessing the capital markets. Weve shown our ability to de-lever through high-grading investments and expect to be able to continue this trend in the combination to improve the balance sheet over time. Furthermore, we will aggressively, but prudently, evaluate our entire portfolio with an eye towards accretive divestment opportunities to achieve quick de-levering hits.
So, turning to slide four, as Pat mentioned earlier, the combined company will be led by the current Sabine senior management team, with Shane Bayless as our CFO and Todd Levesque as our COO. Shane, Todd, and I have been together since Sabines formation in 2007, and they have been key in achieving our track record of operational success and careful financial management. We have spent most of our careers at public companies, and we look forward to our return to the public side, and we are excited about the opportunity to engage with investors and position the Company for steady growth and success over the coming years.
So, starting to look at the assets, if you turn to slide five, this gives you an overview of our large but focused asset base, and you can begin to see just how complementary our positions are in East Texas and in the Eagle Ford. Ill go into more details on each of these areas in the following slide, and so if we turn to slide 6, it shows our pro forma statistics, which demonstrate the significant scale this combination achieves. Well have approximately 1.5 TCF equivalent of reserves, estimated 2014 production of 345 million cubic feet equivalent, and over 420,000 acres of inventory. We believe the combination positions the Company as a very interesting gas-weighted, high-growth opportunity for investors, which well talk more about in the next slide.
So, if you turn to slide 7, I think this demonstrates the scale that the combination creates, as well as how the combined company stacks up against comparables. Our new scale puts us with peers of considerable size and groups us with some of the larger gas-weighted companies. The main points to keep in mind about the new Sabine are our leading position in the prolific, gas-weighted East Texas Basin, our potential for production growth through the drill bit, and also our continued ability to grow the asset base. We would argue, when comparing us to other gas-weighted growth companies, that the new Sabine provides a similar gas-weighted growth option, but a unique one, being the first East Texas pure play. And a fair argument can be made that East Texas is starting to look like its on the right side of the pipeline system.
So turning to slide 8, this shows the significant scale that the combined companies achieve in East Texas, the map shows how well the assets fit together, like puzzle pieces in many areas, which obviously will lead to significant and ongoing operational synergies. Simply put, the combined company will be an industry leader in East Texas in terms of acreage position and growth opportunity.
Furthermore, East Texas is a true multi-play basin, and the combined asset base will have excellent access to not just the Cotton Valley and Haynesville, but potential opportunities in the Bossier, Travis Peak, Pettet, and other formations. What is really becoming exciting in East Texas is how the combination of improving well results through advanced drilling completion design is intersecting with improving gas prices. You can see in the data boxes on this page the all-in program results that have been achieved in 2013 in East Texas. The Cotton Valley economics are absolutely turned on now, and it is also very interesting to see how the Haynesville is beginning to move into the value window.
On slide 9, this tells our evolving operational success story in East Texas. I know those of you that have listened to Sabines story before have heard me emphasize the importance of operations in the shale and unconventional plays, and my view is that operational expertise is becoming as important as geology in achieving economic success. Slide 9 takes the top operators in terms of well results and plots the average first 12 months (inaudible) production they achieved across all of their wells.
We show this statistic since early time production can be misleading, and its difficult to compare wells on early time data. Once you get to 12 months cumulative production, you have a very good basis for comparing wells.
You can see that our overall well results have been solid, but you can also see how both companies 2013 Cotton Valley wells are truly outperforming past wells in other operators results. Its constantly evolving drilling completion design that explains this improvement. We have always spent a lot of time and effort improving our completion designs to achieve optimum well results, and we have similar graphs in our other operating areas that show the same trends.
Again, the conclusion is that this is an exciting time in East Texas. Weve unlocked the completion key in the Cotton Valley and the Haynesville, and with current gas prices, were achieving excellent well economics with significant upside to further increase pricing.
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Moving to the Eagle Ford on slide 10, again you can see the two companies positions go together to create a program of good scale. Sabines acreage in this area is generally in the volatile oil and gas condensate window where higher pressures improve recoveries. Weve really defined the value of our acreage with our 2013 well results, as you can see in the program result boxes on the next page on slide 10, and even more clearly on the comparison chart on slide 11.
Slide 11 is, again, a graph that shows how were doing against the rest of the industry. We are relatively new entrant in the Eagle Ford, only beginning to put our position together in 2012, but we had the advantage of starting significantly up the learning curve in completion design due to our experience in East Texas. We essentially brought our Haynesville completion design to the Eagle Ford, and we have had great results.
As shown on the graph, our wells are stacking out in the very top tier in the play, as good or better than many of the names you hear leading the discussion on this play. Due to our position being more down-[dipped], we do produce a fair amount of gas, so just to be completely transparent and fair, the graph at the bottom uses a 20-to-1 conversion for gas. But, as you can see, even with this adjustment, our well results are still near the top of the pack.
Finally, I wanted to briefly describe our high return Granite Wash asset. We have approximately 33,500 net acres in a very high return section of the Granite Wash, and these wells are typically 60% oil and have great rates times over 1,000 barrels of oil per day with returns that can achieve payout in under a year. The program result box shows you the details. Furthermore, the defined area of our acreage position is relatively small, with about two years of identified locations at a two-rig pace, but the vast majority of the block is yet to be delineated. We have drilled some vertical test wells with encouraging results in the untested area, and well be doing selective step-outs this year while we continue to develop the defined area with a two-rig program.
So, with that overview and asset summary, Id like to turn the call over to Shane to go over the financial highlights, but I look forward to answering your questions at the end of our remarks.
Shane Bayless - Sabine Oil Corporation - EVP and CFO
Okay. Thanks, David, and good morning to everyone. As you can see here on slide 13, weve summarized a few of the financial highlights of the transaction in the combined company. With the combination, youll see that the pro forma company is having enhanced financial strength and flexibility, which we expect to be achieved by prudently allocating the go-forward capital program and looking to quickly assess asset divestment opportunities to drive de-levering of the balance sheet and (inaudible).
A few comments on the left side of the slide there. This transition impacts approximately $2.2 billion of indebtedness. Youll see the comment that therell be a new reserve base loan put in place upon the consummation of the transaction. This obviously impacts the Forest existing bonds, the 2019 and 2020 notes that will be due. Obviously theres a change of control put that will be in play here, and well be looking for that consent process and viewing that change of control process through the course between now and closing. We do have committed bridge financing to backstop the deal. And as David mentioned, the combined company will continue to look at aggressively and actively looking for accretive divestment opportunities here in the coming months, ahead of closing and post-closing.
Turning to slide 14, this slide is the guidance for both companies on a combined basis thats been currently published. Youll note, and I think David previously mentioned what the estimated combined company production for 2014 at roughly 345 million per day, 65% gas, with operating costs at the midpoint of roughly $1.89 per MCFE. Also note that the combined capital program for 2014 is estimated currently at between $800 million and $825 million. I will ask you to note that no operating costs or overhead synergies have been incorporated in these figures, as David previously mentioned. That will be forthcoming as we get closer to closing.
And with that, Ill turn it back to David for his closing remarks.
David Sambrooks - Sabine Oil Corporation - Chairman and CEO
Thanks, Shane. The last page is just a repeat of some of the rationale for the merger. Again, were very excited by the combined position that this merger creates, especially the leading position in East Texas of over 200,000 net acres and a large inventory of very compelling projects to execute near-term.
So, with that, Ill turn it over for questions.
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QUESTION AND ANSWER
Operator
(Operator instructions.) Jason Gilbert with Goldman Sachs.
Jason Gilbert - Goldman Sachs - Analyst
Hey, guys, thanks for taking my question. I guess first one is the legacy Forest assets in the Eagle Ford have had some very specific challenges, which we heard about on the 4Q 13 call, and investors havent really ascribed a lot of value to those. So, I was just wondering, can you how do you think about that acreage in the Eagle Ford from a quality perspective, and how did you get comfortable?
David Sambrooks - Sabine Oil Corporation - Chairman and CEO
Yes, Jason. We I guess the first thing Ill say is that both companies have spent several months evaluating in-depth each others assets, full open book on technical and detailed evaluation. And what I can say about the overall Eagle Ford position, or Forest specifically, is we looked at it in a lot of depth.
And I think we view it right now is its a very valuable asset. Theres been a tremendous amount of work done on that, a lot of very creative and interesting executions of technology on it with the partner, Slumberger. And we look forward to digging into that a little bit more as we get closer to the closing. I think weve got all the data that we need to fully understand it.
And one of the things you may remember that they described on that is that theyve completed basically the drilling to hold that acreage with the production. So, I think it was very prudent the choice made to start to allocate capital back to East Texas, given the economics that were seeing there. But, I think theres a lot of opportunity left on that block, and were going to dig into it deeply when we get a little closer to the deal.
Pat McDonald - Forest Oil Corporation - President & CEO
And Ill add to that also, were very pleased with our Q1 results in the Eagle Ford. If you read through our Q1 earnings release, youll see that were driving our well costs down to approximately $4.5 million per well with enhanced productivity as weve begun to fine-tune and enhance our drilling and completion schemes here as we go moving into full development mode for the field.
Jason Gilbert - Goldman Sachs - Analyst
Thank you, thats helpful. I guess second one, more sort of a structuring question, it says in the press release that Forest will be a subsidiary of Sabine. I was just wondering, how much are you going to comingle the assets and the operations? Is this just a legal thing, and is that the permanent structure, going forward?
David Sambrooks - Sabine Oil Corporation - Chairman and CEO
Well, I mean, I guess the simple way to answer that is yes, absolutely. All the assets are combined. All the assets are at the same level in terms of service to the debt. The structuring is really kind of a means to an end, but at the end of the day, all assets are clearly combined, and the debt has access to all the assets put together.
Jason Gilbert - Goldman Sachs - Analyst
Okay. So, will you be maintaining the revolver at the Forest Oil entity, or will that be gone?
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Shane Bayless - Sabine Oil Corporation - EVP and CFO
Well, itll be the new Co at the top will be the new NYSE-SEC registrant, Sabine Oil and Gas Corporation. But, therell be a new revolver for the combined company, at the end of the day.
Jason Gilbert - Goldman Sachs - Analyst
Okay, so youll be doing all your funding out of that entity?
Shane Bayless - Sabine Oil Corporation - EVP and CFO
Yes.
Jason Gilbert - Goldman Sachs - Analyst
Okay, thank you very much.
Operator
[Michael Marsek] with Riverbridge Capital.
Michael Marsek - Riverbridge Capital - Analyst
Hey, guys, my question has just been answered, but just to make sure I understand it when you said that the new assets will be comingled with the new debt, so just to make sure, the new (inaudible) of $850 million that is mentioned in the presentation, I guess you expect to answer that at the NewCo Sabine Oil and Gas Corp?
David Sambrooks - Sabine Oil Corporation - Chairman and CEO
Well, when you say answer that, I mean, obviously the transactions triggering the change of control, so that is just, Ill say, displaying that the take-out of the current Forest bonds would take place, and wed be issuing that on a combined basis there at the subsidiary level.
Michael Marsek - Riverbridge Capital - Analyst
Okay, so youll be co-issuing at the Forest Oil, and the NewCo, which is the HoldCo?
David Sambrooks - Sabine Oil Corporation - Chairman and CEO
I dont think that there is a Co issue. I would assume that the issue would be the Forest entity that sits below the HoldCo.
Michael Marsek - Riverbridge Capital - Analyst
Okay, all right. Thank you [for taking] my question.
Operator
[Mark Pimm] with Canaccord.
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Mark Pimm - Canaccord - Analyst
Yes, good morning. You also have some existing debt outstanding, the 9 3/4 of 2017. Would you envision refinancing all of this as part of the merger financing package?
Shane Bayless - Sabine Oil Corporation - EVP and CFO
Yes. I mean, well certainly be taking a look at our balance sheet off the Sabine side, as well.
Mark Pimm - Canaccord - Analyst
And have you had a chance to speak to the rating agencies about the combined entity?
David Sambrooks - Sabine Oil Corporation - Chairman and CEO
We have been in discussions with them prior to the announcement, yes.
Mark Pimm - Canaccord - Analyst
And will there be any news coming out of the agencies?
David Sambrooks - Sabine Oil Corporation - Chairman and CEO
I suspect, [if] not today, tomorrow, but I do think that theres a good chance it could be out today.
Mark Pimm - Canaccord - Analyst
Okay, thank you.
Operator
Alex Betts with Citigroup.
Alex Betts - Citigroup - Analyst
Thanks so much for taking my question. So, you had said you expect the deal to close in late third quarter to early fourth quarter, correct?
Shane Bayless - Sabine Oil Corporation - EVP and CFO
Thats right.
Alex Betts - Citigroup - Analyst
When would you expect the IPO of the new combined SABO?
Shane Bayless - Sabine Oil Corporation - EVP and CFO
Well, it would be effective at closing of the deal.
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Alex Betts - Citigroup - Analyst
Okay, so, like, that same day, like a day later? You dont expect a month of lag, do you?
David Sambrooks - Sabine Oil Corporation - Chairman and CEO
No. No, itll be concurrent with the closing of the deal.
Alex Betts - Citigroup - Analyst
Okay, sounds good. All right, thats it.
David Sambrooks - Sabine Oil Corporation - Chairman and CEO
Okay. Thanks, Alex.
Operator
Drew Venker with Morgan Stanley.
Drew Venker - Morgan Stanley - Analyst
Morning, guys. I was hoping you could talk to your Eagle Ford acreage between Lavaca and DeWitt, maybe I guess to start, how much acreage do you have there?
David Sambrooks - Sabine Oil Corporation - Chairman and CEO
We have about 40,000 acres on our kind of the Sabine heritage side, and thats, as you mentioned, kind of from Lavaca down through DeWitt. That acreage position is still growing at this time with some grassroots leasing thats going on, but were at about as of today, were at about 40,000 acres.
Drew Venker - Morgan Stanley - Analyst
Okay. And I guess the majority is in that eastern side of DeWitt and Lavaca?
David Sambrooks - Sabine Oil Corporation - Chairman and CEO
Thats right, and we call that our Shiner area, so that acreage lock is Shiner from where you mentioned in DeWitt to Lavaca, and then we have a smaller piece called the Sugarcane block thats further southwest in DeWitt.
Drew Venker - Morgan Stanley - Analyst
Do you feel like you have a pretty good sense of the potential performance of the asset? I mean, you talked about drilling about 10 wells to date. Do you still need a fair amount of drilling to delineate it, or is there offsetting well control to help you get a picture?
David Sambrooks - Sabine Oil Corporation - Chairman and CEO
Well, we drilled maybe we drilled we drilled more than.
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Unidentified Company Representative
Yes, thats just the 2013 program.
David Sambrooks - Sabine Oil Corporation - Chairman and CEO
That was the 2013 program.
Unidentified Company Representative
Probably could add another half a dozen, or maybe well get more wells into the total.
David Sambrooks - Sabine Oil Corporation - Chairman and CEO
Yes. So, were probably at 15, 16 wells now. And Id say we have a pretty good view for the asset being delineated. Sugarcane certainly is. I mean, thats within a pretty fully developed area, so it was pretty well understood even before we started drilling there.
And then, theres been a fair amount of activity around our acreage position up in the Shiner area. One of the things youll kind of have to take a note of is, a little bit like we talked about on some of the other assets, you really need to look at our recent well performance compared to historic [or offset] performance, because the completion design and targeting has really made a difference. But, the general answer to your question, yes, I think weve done a pretty good delineation. Theres some more to do, but we understand that acreage pretty well right now.
Drew Venker - Morgan Stanley - Analyst
And you also discussed a divestiture program. Do you have a target for debt to EBITDA?
David Sambrooks - Sabine Oil Corporation - Chairman and CEO
Well, were going to try to hit it as aggressively as we can, as quick as we can. And we admit kind of out of the box that leverage amount is not something were willing to live with for a long time. So, I think the combination, if you look back at Sabines historic performance in 2013, we very rapidly de-levered our balance sheet through very focused, optimized capital deployment. We think we have a lot to continue to do on a combined asset on that front, and the other side of it is now we have a much larger, bigger portfolio of opportunities to look at for potential divestment to get some quick hits. So, were going to try to get down into the low threes as quick as we can.
Drew Venker - Morgan Stanley - Analyst
Great. Thank you.
David Sambrooks - Sabine Oil Corporation - Chairman and CEO
Okay, thanks.
Operator
Dan McSpirit with BMO Capital Markets.
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Dan McSpirit - BMO Capital Markets - Analyst
Thank you, and good morning. Sticking with the monetization program, what assets are expected to be monetized, either immediately or over time? And how much in proceeds is expected to be raised from these divestitures?
David Sambrooks - Sabine Oil Corporation - Chairman and CEO
Well, we dont have the answer to that right now. We certainly dont know what the quantums going to be. But, I think what weve pretty clearly telegraphed is were going to theres really going to be no sacred cows. Were going to look hard at the entire asset base. I think the key theres a couple keys here. One is that its a good set of overall assets, and they have a very high value in terms of what we can do within the current portfolio and capital allocation.
So, divestments are not a must. Theyre a to-do if we find that we can find the right price where we can make those divestments accretive to our debt metrics. So, were going to look at everything. Were going to weve been doing the work, and well continue to do the work between now and closing to evaluate all the assets and try to set up plans to determine what the market is looking like and get to an execution point on those as soon as we can.
Dan McSpirit - BMO Capital Markets - Analyst
Okay, great. And as a follow-up, could you speak to the Cotton Valley opportunity, specifically the multiple bench opportunity? And how does this Cotton Valley compare to whats found in North Louisiana? Is it the same basin center gas play where maybe the Smackover is the source?
David Sambrooks - Sabine Oil Corporation - Chairman and CEO
Well, let me tell you, Ill kind of answer your question with a little bit different angle. Yes, East Texas, North Louisiana, thats pretty much the extent of the Cotton Valley play that were defining here. The Cotton Valley changes quite a bit in different areas. In most of the areas that were in, the primary target is the Lower Taylor sand, and theres potential opportunity for other benches within that within our area.
If you move over into North Louisiana, theres actually different primary zones for targeting in the Cotton Valley. Id say most of our acreage is kind of what I described, that the predominant targets going to be in the Lower Taylor. But, with the size that we have of our combined asset, were going to take a hard look at fully describing the resource in the Cotton Valley and look where we can to see if theres any opportunities for additional benches to be developed.
Dan McSpirit - BMO Capital Markets - Analyst
Okay, great. And then, finally, what do you calculate or estimate to be the economic break-even price for the Cotton Valley today, as well as the Haynesville shale?
David Sambrooks - Sabine Oil Corporation - Chairman and CEO
The Haynesvilles probably a little easier. I mean, you can see on our economic slide for our 2013 program, at a $4 price deck, we were at about, what was it, 17%, is that right, 17% rate of return. So, it depends on what you call your break-even. If youre at 10% or something like that, I think probably for the Haynesville youre probably looking at 350 or something like that.
The Cotton Valley, it depends a little bit. The liquids content of the Cotton Valley varies throughout the acreage position. So, theres some areas where you have a higher liquid contribution, and the hurdle rate on break-even economics from the gas price perspective are quite low, probably well under $2. Other areas, its more gas dominated, and you may be kind of in the $3 to $3.50 range.
Dan McSpirit - BMO Capital Markets - Analyst
Very good. Thanks again.
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David Sambrooks - Sabine Oil Corporation - Chairman and CEO
Okay, thank you.
Operator
Gregg Brody with JP Morgan.
Gregg Brody - JP Morgan - Analyst
Good morning, guys. Could you just would you mind giving a little background on the merger, just kind of how you got to this how it started and how you got to this point?
David Sambrooks - Sabine Oil Corporation - Chairman and CEO
Well, I mean, all thats going to come out in our filings, and so wed probably just refer you to that. Theyll be coming out fairly quickly, so you can kind of read the blow-by-blow, or the timeline of that, so to speak. But, I will say we like I mentioned before, weve been working several months from a technical standpoint on evaluating each others assets, so weve been engage on this for quite a while.
Gregg Brody - JP Morgan - Analyst
And then, is it your understanding that for shareholder approval, is it 2/3 shareholder vote, or 50%?
Pat McDonald - Forest Oil Corporation - President & CEO
Its 2/3. Forest, as a New York corporation, requires 2/3.
Gregg Brody - JP Morgan - Analyst
Thats helpful, and just a couple more follow-ups here. You said something I think you might have said two things that might have been bond technicalities that contradicted each other, so probably that I wanted to ask you the question again to see if that was correct.
David Sambrooks - Sabine Oil Corporation - Chairman and CEO
(Inaudible.)
Gregg Brody - JP Morgan - Analyst
Sure, and I appreciate it. Us bond guys get really annoying with the technical stuff, so I apologize for it. But, you basically said that the revolver will be at the new holding company.
David Sambrooks - Sabine Oil Corporation - Chairman and CEO
No.
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Gregg Brody - JP Morgan - Analyst
But then, you also said excuse me?
Shane Bayless - Sabine Oil Corporation - EVP and CFO
If I did, that was itll sit at the yes, were all the assets, as David mentioned, where all the cash flow sits.
Gregg Brody - JP Morgan - Analyst
So, there is no I think the question that people were asking you indirectly were the Forest subsidiary, will there be any issuance out of that subsidiary, going forward, or will most of it be at this new combined subsidiary that holds all the assets?
David Sambrooks - Sabine Oil Corporation - Chairman and CEO
Well, were talking about one in the same, as I would describe the org charge, is the combined the subsidiaries, the merger, essentially where that lands, thats current Sabine and existing Forest. And thats where the new issuances I believe would take place.
Gregg Brody - JP Morgan - Analyst
Yes. But, I believe youre actually going to have a Forest subsidiary thats Forest is going to merge into a subsidiary of Sabine? That will actually still or may not [stand] there. So, thats what the question is relating to. It sounds like youre saying theres some other subsidiary that has all the assets, and if theres still a subsidiary, that that will effectively own the Forest assets.
David Sambrooks - Sabine Oil Corporation - Chairman and CEO
We might be a little bit in the weeds there. I dont think thats the case. I think well have to refer you to both the press release as its described, and then ultimately the proxy .
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Gregg Brody - JP Morgan - Analyst
Great. And then, its very clear theres some [closeology] here, that you can benefit from being near each other in the East Texas, and as well as the Eagle Ford. Are there any other synergies you can speak to about this transaction that are relevant?
David Sambrooks - Sabine Oil Corporation - Chairman and CEO
Well, I mean, I think theres kind of a laundry list of those. I mean, if you just think about I mean, to the you mentioned the first one, the complementary acreage in East Texas, lets say. I mean, weve kind of doubled up in size there, so theres a lot of things you can think about where you can get some cost savings or synergies in terms of size of your program and ability to more attractively bid services. The fit together of our properties is very, very good. So, you probably are able to operate them from just about all aspects with not quite double the complement, but something less than that. Theres just a lot of different ways.
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And I think one of the main things, and weve highlighted but its worth saying it again, I mean, over a $800 million-plus combined capital program, theres a lot of opportunity for optimization of that. So, one thing to kind of keep in mind is everything we put out here is really just a one-plus-one view. And if you think about what 2014s going to lead to, were going to be separate companies through the vast majority of that. So, its really going to be in Id say almost starting in 2015 when youre going to see a lot of those synergies and optimizations play out.
Operator
Scott Wilmoth with Surveyor Capital.
Scott Wilmoth - Surveyor Capital - Analyst
Morning, guys. Hey, quick question for you on the 2014 combined. What will be the out-spend? Im just struggling with what to assume for kind of interest costs. But, what should the out-spend be? Im just trying to understand what the year-end debt levels will be closer to the closing.
David Sambrooks - Sabine Oil Corporation - Chairman and CEO
You have a whack at that, Shane?
Shane Bayless - Sabine Oil Corporation - EVP and CFO
Well, I mean, itll be kind of letting you put your own price deck to what weve given you as far as volumes, et cetera. On the Sabine side, well, both parties have obviously issued guidance, so I dont have a number I would give you as far as the expected year-end debt level.
Scott Wilmoth - Surveyor Capital - Analyst
Okay, understood. And then, on the production guidance side, is that pro forma any expected divestitures? Or if you guys do any divestitures with existing properties, that could be lowered?
Shane Bayless - Sabine Oil Corporation - EVP and CFO
Yes, thats right, yes, both and, well, all aspects, but capital may be would probably be adjusted also. But, youre right, its just a one-plus-one that .
Scott Wilmoth - Surveyor Capital - Analyst
Okay, I just wanted to make sure I wasnt missing some assumed divestitures. And then, on the production ramp side, can you kind of speak to how much of that growth is that all largely East Texas, and we should think of Eagle Ford growth more next year, or how should we think about the ramp throughout the year?
David Sambrooks - Sabine Oil Corporation - Chairman and CEO
Well, I guess what I would kind of guide towards is where the rigs are currently located, and were running four rigs in our Eagle Ford, two rigs are running in the Forest Eagle Ford. We have a combined four rigs in East Texas and two rigs up in the Granite Wash. So, from a capital spend and thus probably driving the majority of the production growth, its just kind of go with the rig count. So, for 13, I think youre going to find the Eagle Ford kind of leading that, and then obviously East Texas kind of right behind that.
I think what were at least forecasting, and weve said it in the presentation in a few places, is that were going to look for opportunities to probably move more capital to East Texas. And when that happens, we dont really know. It may be after we do the combination. We may do some of that before. But, I think, as you go into 2015, I think youre going to probably see more of the contribution from a growth standpoint coming out of East Texas than what youre seeing in 2013 and 14.
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Scott Wilmoth - Surveyor Capital - Analyst
Okay. Then, last one from me, on the Lavaca-DeWitt East Texas, what should we be assuming kind of terms of mix for those wells in terms oil-gas-NGLs, and then and what degree gravity is the crude?
David Sambrooks - Sabine Oil Corporation - Chairman and CEO
Weve put out details on that I know in our quarterly release, and well put out some more in our if you look back at our year-end press release, we had actually all the details on the different programs broken out by those components. I just cant quote them right now, but the datas .
Scott Wilmoth - Surveyor Capital - Analyst
Oh, no, thats fine. I can find it. I appreciate it. Thanks, guys.
David Sambrooks - Sabine Oil Corporation - Chairman and CEO
Thank you.
Operator
(Operator instructions.) Ravi Kamath with Seaport.
Ravi Kamath - Seaport Capital - Analyst
Hey, guys, congratulations. Couple of questions. One, the new senior notes, will they be parry with the Sabine Oil and Gas senior notes?
Shane Bayless - Sabine Oil Corporation - EVP and CFO
Yes, its my understanding, yes.
Ravi Kamath - Seaport Capital - Analyst
And then, secondly, with regards to Forests Permian the Delaware Basin assets, maybe you could talk about what your outlook is there and possibly any offset well recent well data in Reeves County. Thank you.
Pat McDonald - Forest Oil Corporation - President & CEO
Yes, thanks. There are two wells being drilled just offsetting the Forest acreage position, and as weve said previously, were continuing to seek a partner, joint venture drilling partner there. we have a high degree of confidence and hope for the asset. Weve got some good few good vertical Wolf Camp wells on the acreage position. And with the industry activity moving our way and horizontal wells drilling offsetting our acreage, we hope that that translates into a chance for us to allocate some capital and get some wells drilled.
Operator
Raj Agarwal with Marathon Asset Management.
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Raj Agarwal - Marathon Asset Management - Analyst
Hi, my questions been answered. Thank you.
Operator
Sam Goodyear with MidOcean Partners.
Sam Goodyear - MidOcean Partners - Analyst
Hi, guys, thanks for taking the call. Could you give us a sense of what remaining NOLs would be for Forest?
Pat McDonald - Forest Oil Corporation - President & CEO
Yes. We have about $750 million of NOLs as of December 31, 13.
Sam Goodyear - MidOcean Partners - Analyst
[Ipso] pro forma for will those be exhausted in the transaction?
Pat McDonald - Forest Oil Corporation - President & CEO
No. I mean, therell be some 382 limitations apply to those NOLs for the combined company. So, I think the more important thing to look at is our tax basis thats yet to be converted to NOLs, and thats about $1.2 billion as of December 31, 2013.
Sam Goodyear - MidOcean Partners - Analyst
Thank you. And has a breakup fee on the transaction been disclosed, or could you share that with us?
Shane Bayless - Sabine Oil Corporation - EVP and CFO
That hasnt been disclosed. Itll be in the materials when we get those out.
Sam Goodyear - MidOcean Partners - Analyst
So, there will be a breakup fee?
Shane Bayless - Sabine Oil Corporation - EVP and CFO
Yes.
Sam Goodyear - MidOcean Partners - Analyst
Thank you very much.
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Shane Bayless - Sabine Oil Corporation - EVP and CFO
You bet.
Operator
Ray Beacon with Canaccord.
Ray Beacon - Canaccord - Analyst
Yes, hey, I was wondering if you could I know Sabine drilled one Upper Eagle Ford test, and I was wondering whether you could talk about the potential you see there.
David Sambrooks - Sabine Oil Corporation - Chairman and CEO
Yes, Ray. Actually, in our Shiner area, the majority of our wells there are targeting what most [people] are calling the Upper Eagle Ford. And what we found, and even in our first wells in the play, was that was the best place to target. What you have geologically happening there is, as you go in this direction, the Lower Eagle Ford, which is more of a [carbonate] section, is thinning, and your upper is growing.
And so, its the predominant target there. And so, weve been able to get really good results out of that in the Shiner area by targeting it and using our completion design. Some of the other operators around are starting to do that now, so youre seeing some of that being reported. But, we actually look at it as the primary target in that area.
Pat McDonald - Forest Oil Corporation - President & CEO
Yes. Hey, Ray, its Pat here. And Forest has been developing our asset along those same lines, so we think very highly of the concept.
Ray Beacon - Canaccord - Analyst
Okay, great. And I guess do you have your arms around yet how many horizontal locations you may have in East Texas, or is that something you think youll have by year-end?
David Sambrooks - Sabine Oil Corporation - Chairman and CEO
Yes, we dont have that now. I mean, I know thats a piece that people are interested in knowing on the combination. But, its going to take us some time just to put it all together and get that documented. So, its a lot of locations, obviously, over that size of acreage block, but we dont have a specific count right now.
Ray Beacon - Canaccord - Analyst
Got it. Hey, thank you.
Operator
Scott Hanold with RBC.
Scott Hanold - RBC Capital Markets - Analyst
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Thanks. Good morning, guys. So, just want to go back to a comment that you had said in the Q&A where obviously there are no sacred cows when looking at divestitures, but that its divestitures are not a must. Just stepping back and looking at it, it looks like obviously your debt levels are relatively high, and I dont know, just kind of looking at expected pro forma go-forward, cash flow out-spend, it looks about $300 million, maybe $250 million to $300 million in the next 12 months. So, obviously youre going to increase that leverage. When you step back and look at it, I mean, is it more a requirement than I guess not a must, I guess is my question?
David Sambrooks - Sabine Oil Corporation - Chairman and CEO
Well, I guess the way I would put it is we have ample liquidity to execute our program over the next couple years, and we think that just optimizing that capital program by itself is going to drive the leverage down significantly. Now, that being said, the reason were talking so much about divestments is were very seriously looking at them, and we have very high intent of doing them.
And but, nothing is a given in terms of what were going to get for a particular asset. We know what our value is. We feel like we will know what our hold value is and whats worth selling it for. So, were saying a lot about it because we intend to be aggressive but prudent, and I would be very surprised if that wasnt that some level of asset divestment wasnt a near-term part of our story.
Scott Hanold - RBC Capital Markets - Analyst
Okay. And so and I guess as a follow-up, then, when I look youd mentioned theres ample liquidity here when you look at your existing pro forma revolver base is roughly, what, about $675 million available? And did I get my numbers right, about $250 million to $300 million of, based on what were looking at right now, cash flow out-spend over the next couple years?
David Sambrooks - Sabine Oil Corporation - Chairman and CEO
Well, yes. I mean, that depends on your assumption. So, were not going to give you that number, but youve got the liquidity number, right? Thats true.
Scott Hanold - RBC Capital Markets - Analyst
Okay, fair enough. And so, then, on asset sales, you obviously mentioned youre very focused on that. I mean, could that be something you all look to do prior to the actual consummation, or is that something youd likely evaluate once you guys are put together and have a chance to kind of scrub things out?
David Sambrooks - Sabine Oil Corporation - Chairman and CEO
Yes, I dont think we have an answer to that question exactly. What we are doing is were doing the work now in evaluating the portfolio and looking at opportunities and trying to test value. So, I mean, we I guess kind of a standard case would be thatll put us in a position to be as quick as we can on the trigger, but theres if we get the right deal, well evaluate it, whenever that is.
Operator
Steven Karpel with Credit Suisse.
Steven Karpel - Credit Suisse - Analyst
Morning. This was touched on briefly about synergies, and Im not sure if Im reading all the numbers right. But, looking at the guidance, it seems like a small amount of booked synergies on the certainly on the G&A line. Maybe Im not reading the numbers right. One, is that being conservative? And two, is that or does the merger contemplate that the vast preponderance of the people within the two organizations will stay? And maybe comment about organization, maybe everything down to office space and whatnot, to talk about what the opportunity is there. And then, we can talk about field level and procurement, et cetera.
David Sambrooks - Sabine Oil Corporation - Chairman and CEO
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Okay. Is that all, or just.
Steven Karpel - Credit Suisse - Analyst
Figured Id get it all out at one time.
David Sambrooks - Sabine Oil Corporation - Chairman and CEO
Okay. All right. All right, Ill give you the answer to as much as I can. So, I mean, you are correct about the view on 2014. It kind of goes back to the issue of these are going to be two separate companies through the vast majority of the year. And if you think about when the closings going to happen, theres certainly a fair amount of time between that and when youd probably start to see some of those savings come in. So, essentially from our internal view, is that weve really not counted any for 2014.
So, again, its pointing to 15 where I think youre going to see that effect. And we dont know the quantum yet. Its truly a work in progress. But, I mean, obviously when you have the kind of overlay of assets that we have here, it leads you directly to the conclusion that we can do this more efficiently together than we can as two separate companies. So, there will be significant savings. Well have a better handle of that as we get to and past closing, but its going to be kind of 15 and on when you really see the effect.
Steven Karpel - Credit Suisse - Analyst
Okay. I guess you dont want to put a number to it, but maybe Ill jump to another point, which is the Slumberger deal. Maybe is there anything change as a result of this? Is there any discussions about narrowing the deal, expanding the deal to now a bigger asset base, or any changes there?
Pat McDonald - Forest Oil Corporation - President & CEO
No, not at this time. And this is all fresh news, obviously, but we dont anticipate any change in the current existing Forest program in the joint venture. Whether or not it expands outward from there remains to be seen. So, for now, were just focused on continuing with our plan for 2014 and then the development of the field, going forward.
Operator
David Epstein with CRT Capital.
David Epstein - CRT Capital - Analyst
Hi, gentlemen. I missed part of the call, and Im also brand-new to Sabine, so thisll be a little bit of a naive question. But, is there any way to assess, or have you guys made any sort of public indications of the fair value of Sabine prior to this deal?
David Sambrooks - Sabine Oil Corporation - Chairman and CEO
No, I mean, we havent. I mean, you can were a fairly full-reporting private company, so to speak. We post our financials, and you can get those off of our website and form your opinion kind of modeling with the information that we have there. But, theres nothing theres no real kind of mark-to-market view thats out there on Sabine.
David Epstein - CRT Capital - Analyst
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Thank you. Appreciate it.
Operator
And this concludes the question and answer portion of our call. I would like to turn the call back over to Larry Busnardo and management for closing comments.
Larry Busnardo - Forest Oil Corporation - VP of IR
Thanks again, everyone, for joining us today, and on short notice. Obviously a lot needs to take place over the next several months as we work through this. But, as you have your questions, you can direct them either to myself or Shane Bayless from the Sabine Oil and Gas side. Thanks again.
Operator
Thank you for your participation in todays conference. This concludes your presentation. You may all disconnect. Good day, everyone.
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In connection with the proposed transactions, New Forest Oil Inc. (which will be renamed Sabine Oil & Gas Corporation as of the closing of the proposed transaction) (Holdco) intends to file with the SEC a registration statement on Form S-4 that will include the proxy statement of Forest Oil Corporation that also constitutes a prospectus of Holdco. Each of Holdco and Forest Oil Corporation also plan to file other relevant documents with the SEC regarding the proposed transactions. INVESTORS ARE URGED TO READ THE PROXY STATEMENT/PROSPECTUS AND OTHER RELEVANT DOCUMENTS FILED WITH THE SEC IF AND WHEN THEY BECOME AVAILABLE BECAUSE THEY WILL CONTAIN IMPORTANT INFORMATION. You may obtain a free copy of the joint proxy statement/prospectus (if and when it becomes available) and other relevant documents filed by Holdco and Forest Oil Corporation with the SEC at the SECs website at www.sec.gov. You may also obtain these documents by contacting Holdco or Forest Oil Corporation at Forest Oil Corporations Investor Relations department at www.forestoil.com or by email at IR@forestoil.com.
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